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Now I know this has kinda stopped, but do you think Monster High dolls, are unsuitable for children? I'm a kid and when I see Clawdeen dressed up in her basic one outfit, do I want to copy her style? No. Because its a doll. These "experts" really don't know kids don't give a dam about Clawdeen shaving or apparently "skimpy" clothes.

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When I was a kid, I had tons of dolls (from Disney to Barbie), and not once did I think to myself 'Oh, I like this tiny, short skirt that Barbie has. I want one.' If anything, It was 'I like this big, poofy, fancy princess dress.'

Kids don't pay much attention to length - they pay attention to colors and textures, since that's what they comprehend. As for Clawdeen's shaving, well, it wouldn't've bothered me. Most girls don't and wouldn't think twice about a doll that shaves their legs. Barbie's pretty shoes and earrings are more distracting.

There was a big blowup about Skelita, saying she promoted anorexia - which is absurd. She's a skeleton, not an excessively thin woman.

People really ought to quit projecting adult ideals and notions into inanimate objects. It's not like Mattel has made a 'Streetwalker Barbie - complete with custom 'look of desperation,' protection and injection-site-bruises.' I mean, HONESTLY.
That Skelita thing was a load of nonsense. These people haven't actually seen a kid playing. Dolls do not impact someone's opinion of their body shape at all. The funny thing is, skeletons have no skin, so anybody can see...duh! Of course shes not going to have anything other than bones. Does it say anything about Skelita starving herself to be a skeleton! She already, naturally is one. Also Ghoulia loves JUNK FOOD. I mean do anorexic people eat fast food? No. So there.

What I find ridiculous is when people buy boatloads of Barbies and Disney Princesses/Fairies in tiny minidresses, sky-high heels, and bikinis for their kids and say it's okay because Barbie and the Disney characters are "good girls," yet they complain about any non-Barbie/Disney fashion dolls like Bratz and MH who wear short skirts and high heels, tarring and feathering them as whores/hookers/bad role models.  Pretty darn hypocritical, if you ask me.

Why does that youtube channel have anything to do with what we're talking about here? And I don't see anything wrong with it.

Do you know them personally? Or at all? 


Justin said:

The only thing I find disturbing are the parents who exploit their children into doing makeup tutorials to look like the characters.  It is fun to dress up and take on a different personality sometimes... but in front of a camera being probed by your parents to be put on public display?

It's just sick IMO.  Reminds me of those pageant moms who convince their kids they're having fun when it's really all just for the adult's fulfillment.

When my sisters dress up, it's usually in oversized shirts, play shoes and they make their hair all wild.  No camera or adults involved.  Pure fantasy between two children.

Honestly it doesn't bother me at all. Its basically cosplay videos showing other kids, or adults for that matter, how to dress up as the characters for Halloween ect. and I know I would have been thrilled to have my mom help me dress up as one of the ghouls. That's all it is, is dress up with a little help due to the skin colors ect. Now the pagent things are a different story, thats a competitive setting piting kids against other kids. If you paint a kids face to look like Meowlody the only thing shes going to be thinking is "look at me I'm a werecat!" lol

Justin said:

The only thing I find disturbing are the parents who exploit their children into doing makeup tutorials to look like the characters.  It is fun to dress up and take on a different personality sometimes... but in front of a camera being probed by your parents to be put on public display?

It's just sick IMO.  Reminds me of those pageant moms who convince their kids they're having fun when it's really all just for the adult's fulfillment.

When my sisters dress up, it's usually in oversized shirts, play shoes and they make their hair all wild.  No camera or adults involved.  Pure fantasy between two children.

I completely agree. I find it disturbing too and it just rubs me the wrong way. If you want to share it so bad just do it on yourself. It's not cute when your child has a full face of make up on and fake eye lashes. If it's Halloween, yes I can understand a little bit of make up but this is different.

And don't even get me started on pageant moms.

Justin said:

The only thing I find disturbing are the parents who exploit their children into doing makeup tutorials to look like the characters.  It is fun to dress up and take on a different personality sometimes... but in front of a camera being probed by your parents to be put on public display?

It's just sick IMO.  Reminds me of those pageant moms who convince their kids they're having fun when it's really all just for the adult's fulfillment.

When my sisters dress up, it's usually in oversized shirts, play shoes and they make their hair all wild.  No camera or adults involved.  Pure fantasy between two children.

I'm guessing we're now talking about the little girl and her mom that do all those MH makeup tutorials on youtube?

Cause honestly, if the little girl enjoys doing it and wants to do it I don't see the problem.

Guys let's quit talking about KittiesMamma the little girl enjoys doing them and you can clearly see that but anyways..
I myself say that moms are over protective and need to shut the hell up because their kids are all going to find out what all that stuff is about (sexual relationships,make-up,the trends going on).
I've asked my sister if she's ever thought about the fact that Clawdeen shaves,the skirts are too small or whatever and stuff.
Her answer was "I don't even pay attention to that stuff"
I also asked her if she thought Skelita was anorexic
And she said "what's anorexic" so I explained and asked if shed ever do that just to be like Skelita and she said "LOL NO. Skelita is bones..why would she...she's bones!
I'd never do that just because she does it doesn't mean I will I'm not stupid you know"
My sister,she has grow up with barbies,bratz,and monster high.
Never has she ever had one of those thoughts to wear what barbie wears.
She has asked for high heels but only because it's glittery(anything glittery is a must have for her)but other than that she doesn't pay attention to that kind of stuff and she's one of those Gorky girls but not te typical type.
But it is a fashion doll there's not much that can be done :/

But yes on the topic of children being influenced.

We first need to really think of why exactly people are influenced by something. Is it just because it exist or the reactions that come from it? Why do women want to lose weight? Because everything and everyone else around them tells them to. That THIS is the body type that is beautiful and acceptable. Why do women shave? Cause everyone else tells them it's gross and unattractive. Why don't men do more girly things? Cause being girly is bad and they can't like doing girly things without being shamed for it.

It all stems from us forcing people to live a specific way because if you don't, you're shamed and an outcast, which nobody wants.

In reality the fact that MH teaches diversity and being yourself and accepting yourself for who you are I'd like to guess that there are more girls fine with who they are than not if they're big MH fans.

What parents need to attack which deserve it a LOT is the media in general. How often are there commercials advertising diet pills or meals telling you you need to get rid of all that gross fat on you? Or comment on your ugly blotchy skin and how it needs this product to get rid of that? Or how ugly your wrinkles are and how they need to go away? Of COURSE people have such low self-esteem! We teach them to be that way!

What we need from the media is diversity and nobody to tell us how we should look. And with MH, we have that. It's very diverse with it's characters in terms of personality as well as appearances (not very diverse on body sizes but that's a different debate) and they tell people to love themselves and embrace their flaws. If anything we need to be encouraging more products out there to speak the same message MH speaks.

Parents complaining about how a doll dresses really have no idea how people in general are influenced. It's not just existing period that influences people, but what the product tries to tell us. Or at least what people say the product tells us to do.

Its also  the likes  of some celebrities posted naked pictures of themselves on instragram,etc...

The important thing that Kittiesmama and her mother do is wash it off afterwards. Monster High teaches us to be different and that everybody makes mistakes(Cleo STILL hasn't learned though) 

 

How many of us left at least half our Barbies laying around undressed?

How many of us subsequently became nudists? No one?

To me Monster High doll clothes aren't skimpy. Like the larger heads and sway back, they are stylized.

I agree. Teenagers wear more diverse clothes than other age groups, anyway heck, does anybody care?

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