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Are all Monster High boys strictly created as a love interest for the girls?

Hello everyone,

It seems to me that all Monster High boys are created to be a "boyfriend".

Yay or nay? What do you think?

Deuce and Cleo
Gil and Lagoona
Clawd and Draculaura
Jackson/Holt and Frankie
Slo Mo and Ghoulia
Heath and Abbey
Manny and Iris
Invisi-Billy and Scarah
Garrott and Rochelle
HooDude - Created by Frankie for the sole purpose of being her boyfriend (it was a fun episode though).

Except for:
Neighthan Rot - Haven't seen him "in action" yet, so I cannot express an opinion.

Am I missing any boys? At least the ones that actually have a doll made.

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Neighthan also has a crush on Frankie.  We can't really speak for Porter yet, but he'll probably like someone.  Maybe Spectra or one of the ghost girls he's coming out with.  

I don't think some of these fully were made to be boyfriends to the girls, but yeah, in the cases of Billy and Manny, they definitely seem to have to have been paired with a girl before getting a doll.

It seems that way, but honestly theyre not doing anything different than any other doll line with boys and the only thing that makes it annoying is that their dolls arent blank slates. MH dolls have much more developed character profiles and personalities than any other big name doll line so the marketing strategies that are typical grate on people when a character they like is suddenly put into a relationship with no real meaning or chemistry

Like Abbinormal said, the MH boys aren't just cardboard cutouts, they are actually fleshed out with personalities and interests, at least in their diaries- so it irks people, including myself, when they're treated like accessories to the girls *side eye: I'm looking at you specifically, Draculaura and Clawd* And mostly they're being treated like accessories, like in every other doll line. I mean, why try to give them personality at all (diaries) if you're going to cancel it out in every other media (webisodes, movies) there is?? Either go all the way or don't try at all!

@Trium: To me, it's not a matter of sexism- it's mostly a matter of bad character development and storytelling. I know, I know, MH isn't supposed to be all about the characters and their development like a book or a movie, but they still try to make the characters "come to life" via the webisodes (which are mostly non-existent nowadays, meh), the movies and the diaries, they aren't just dolls (I mean, just something skin (plastic?) deep), they have a personality and background. And, well, since you at least try to develop your characters, why don't you go all the way but slowly go into stereotypes that go against the diaries? Either don't do the diaries at all or keep the info and characterization consistent. 

The Mansters two pack is probably the greatest thing that's happened for the boys, I'm super happy about it and I'm really hoping to see more like it!

Well it seems that way for EAH

I get more upset over Deuce specifically to be honest...

When he debuted he had such a cool character! He was such a sweet, and realistic guy...I really loved him. The more MH progressed though...the dumber and weirder Deuce got. They changed his entire way of being...it's like he literally underdeveloped instead of developing like most of the others...now he is literally just an accessory which says 'Dude' a lot...

What happened to my cute little chef-wannabe who was sweet to Jackson, was quite intelligent and treated Cleo like his queen? Now he's just kinda...there. 

I think it makes sense to say that supporting characters are created to advance the plot lines of the main characters in virtually any story. The supporting characters can still have their own independent merits, but they exist because of connections to whichever characters are the focus of the story. (If a character isn't shown to be connected to the focal characters of the story, then they might be a great person, but why would we hear about them?) Virtually all the adults in the MH series are either parents or school employees, and they exist almost exclusively to further the plotlines of the main ghouls. Is it objectionable that adult characters are only added to the franchise when the story calls for parents or teachers? (Well, or villains). New MH ghouls are usually given connections to the core group, as well, in order to show how they fit in the story. 

Making male MH characters brothers and boyfriends to the main ghouls is a way of explaining how they function as supporting characters, but it doesn't necessarily follow that they have no value apart from being boyfriends and brothers. Jackson and Holt have a highly unusual situation, even before you figure Frankie in, so they're interesting whether they're boyfriends or not. Frankie is just the p.o.v. character who gets us access to what's going on in their lives. And, at least back in the day, (with variable results in the present), both of them also had well-defined style identities and were cool fashion dolls in their own right. (Same with early Deuce and Clawd). Whether you like him or hate him, Neighthan is also a highly unusual creation with a fun and strange backstory. He has that backstory independently of Frankie. He may be emotionally connected to Frankie (as well as to his posse of female friends), but his connection to her is not his only characteristic or value. He's an inventive character in his own right. I don't believe that introducing an attraction between Neighthan and a core character is enough to demonstrate that he exists for no other reason than to be a suitor to her.

I often see the boy dolls in the franchise described as mere accessories to the ghouls. What does it mean for one character to be no more than an accessory to another character? I think we need to get a lot more specific about the sexist offense in question, or it's not clear where the objection lies. Is it as simple as "the accessory character is only ever seen with the accessorized character and seems to have no life/characteristics/interests of his own?" Well, most of the boy characters at MH are shown to have their own lives and interests, even secrets. (I'm not gonna lie, I get feels about the episode where we find out what happened to Deuce's pet).

What they don't get is equal screen time. And I'm not bothered by the latter, because I don't think gender parity requires that every story be equally about men and women. Why not sometimes have a story that gives most of its time and attention to girls? Is it wrong that in My Little Pony, for example, more or less *everything* is accomplished by female leaders and heroines, to the point that males are practically ignored? If it were a broad-spectrum cultural narrative that the contributions of males be ignored, that would be a huge problem. But for a single story to keep females (and teenagers) as the focus, only introducing males (and adults, and younger children) to the extent that they figure into the females' stories just doesn't seem dangerous to me. Taking issue is like going to a one man or one woman show and complaining that the show wasn't about all the other people it could have been about. It's okay for individual stories to keep an exclusive focus.

I've seen convincing examples of ways MH storytelling could be more comprehensive, more balanced, and more consistent across the board, but if there is a problem with boy dolls all being introduced in relation to girl dolls, I can't help but think it's more a symptom than the disease. There are a whole lot of aspects of these characters' lives that MH seems quite comfortable oversimplifying or electing not to develop at all. They would be better storytellers if they did more with *each* character. But since they do very little with many of the characters, male and female, I don't see it as a boy problem. I see it as a bad storytelling problem.

The boy characters at Monster High don't always get treated with a lot of *dignity.* Like, I just watched Friday Night Frights - the rollermaze movie one - the other night for the first time. I thought it was really cute in some respects. But I was pretty bothered by the tortured characterization involved in producing the phase of the movie where the ghouls have to bear the brunt of public scorn for daring to play a male sport. The school is *literally* falling to pieces around them, and a) the boys' team is so insulted by the idea of adding Lagoona to their roster, that they quit and refuse to help, and b) the all-ghouls team they scrape together afterwards is mocked *by their own schoolmates* for doing their best. I mean, the stakes are *destruction of the entire school* and it's more important to Manny and Heath that the ghouls be humiliated for playing a traditionally male sport than it is to do something constructive. Even the usually stand-up dudes like Jackson and Deuce do basically nothing to help, and Clawd's concern for the ghouls' safety is so badly defined that he comes across looking like a bad guy, too. (About half of the ghouls' team is inexperienced and very poorly trained, and since the sport seems legitimately dangerous, simply supporting their desire to play might not be obviously right, but this is a pretty careful distinction to make). It's embarrassing. The movie wants to make a point about the bravery of the ghouls standing up to their school when everybody, including their own male friends, either rejects them or does nothing constructive, but (if I took the characterization seriously, that is) it still makes the boy characters look really, really bad.

This is just sloppy writing, though. And when you think about MH storytelling, there is plenty of equal opportunity sloppy writing. The boy characters would be stronger and have more value if they received enough screen time, thought, and care to make them more consistent and better-developed. But so would the ghoul characters - including some of the core group, imo. 

It only began to bother me when InvisiBilly started dating Scarah.
(.____.)"

It's funny that Abbey and Lagoona are BFFs when in the We Stop Hate episode they were fighting in the background (Now about what is what I wanna know. Could it have been Abbey freezing the pool when there was a swimming championship at stake?)
 
Triumvirate said:

I still honestly don't see what the big deal is or why this is such a big topic of discussion among fans.

The thing I find most humorous about this is that I haven't noticed any male collectors complaining about this. No doubt there are some out there but I haven't come across them. But as a male collector myself you'd think if anyone had a problem with this way of introducing boys as arm candy it would be me or other male collectors who might see this as sexist or discriminatory. Maybe they'd want to stand up for the rights of male characters to be seen as unique individuals separate from the main group of ghouls?

But seriously this is not even on my radar. It's totally a non-issue. As each ghoul character I collect gets paired up with a manster I like having the pair to display together. It doesn't feel to me like the guy character is getting abused or has any less attention to detail put into creating him because he may or may not have been created to get matched up with a ghoul. 

To me it's no different than the whole "BFF" situation. Every character has two BFF's "assigned" to them. If that character happens to be assigned a boyfriend or girlfriend that character get one of those two slots, and then the other slot goes to some other friend. If they have no boyfriend they get assigned two friends. The BFF assignments often seem more random to me, and then in some cases you never even see those supposed BFF's interacting with each other. For example, Lagoona is supposedly one of Abbey's BFFs. Do you you ever see them spending time together? Never. The boyfriend situations honestly make far more sense to me.

Me too T^T, I was really confused and wondering where did that came from. I thought Scarah and HooDude were cute and I really didn't care that much when they were paired up for the SDCC thing. They were backgrounders after all (well Hoodude was more active in the show). Anyway, when I first knew about Invisibilly I was expecting a friendship relationship with Spectra, like true friends. I loved their personalities, well, back then, I only knew Billy was something of a prankster, but Spectra has an interesting backstory and personality in her diary... ;__;

As someone mentioned, it's not about sexism, it's storytelling and character development. Take Frankie's case, her relationship status is a mess, and there's no explanation whatsoever. Other couples are developing only in the diaries or other media. I would like a little more focus in the story, that's one of the things I liked first about MH.

I know I'm going to scream if Porter turns out to be a love interest for any of the Ghouls, esp Spectra >:(

kikikream said:

It only began to bother me when InvisiBilly started dating Scarah.
(.____.)"

I knowww. D:
I miss when MH webisodes were like season 2; when there was an ongoing story. I remember being excited every Tuesday waiting to see what would happen next. I loved watching the drama and all the relationships grow over a number of episodes. I wish we could have seen InvisiBilly and Scarah's relationship develop more before they got together, because I don't feel it at all. It was just so sudden. The diary story was cute and all, but eh... I can't even... I just don't... feel... Nnn. I needed more. It was way too fast. I felt like, why did this even need to happen?
(.____.)'

Billy and Spectra would look cute together, but I really wanted him to be single so I could pair him with whoever I wanted.

Please stay single Porter.  plzplzplzplzplzplzplz ur r lats hopez


Jennifer Br said:

Me too T^T, I was really confused and wondering where did that came from. I thought Scarah and HooDude were cute and I really didn't care that much when they were paired up for the SDCC thing. They were backgrounders after all (well Hoodude was more active in the show). Anyway, when I first knew about Invisibilly I was expecting a friendship relationship with Spectra, like true friends. I loved their personalities, well, back then, I only knew Billy was something of a prankster, but Spectra has an interesting backstory and personality in her diary... ;__;

As someone mentioned, it's not about sexism, it's storytelling and character development. Take Frankie's case, her relationship status is a mess, and there's no explanation whatsoever. Other couples are developing only in the diaries or other media. I would like a little more focus in the story, that's one of the things I liked first about MH.

I know I'm going to scream if Porter turns out to be a love interest for any of the Ghouls, esp Spectra >:(

kikikream said:

It only began to bother me when InvisiBilly started dating Scarah.
(.____.)"

I think the only thing I mind with the pairings is that lately the relationship takes up a good portion of the characters diary. I would much rather learn more about the characters as monsters (like home life, siblings, hanging out with friends ect.) and not have their love life take up a good majority of the writing, especially when the doll diaries are so few and far between and its very possible it will be 2 or 3 maybe even 4 years till we get another doll of that character that includes one. Manny and Iris was pretty annoying with this because its very unsure whether or not they will even get other dolls.

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